Anonymous Report This Comment Date: December 16, 2005 06:27AM
McCain said earlier as he sat next to Bush in the Oval Office. "We have no
grief for them, but what we are is a nation that upholds values and standards of
behavior and treatment of all people, no matter how evil or bad they are. And I
think this will help us enormously in winning the war for the hearts and minds
of people throughout the world in the war on terror."
Anonymous Report This Comment Date: December 16, 2005 08:38AM
Now when the terrorist's make that first cut into your neck you can be
comforted by knowing your killers won't be tortured and America will be well
thought of because John McCain said "this will help us enormously in
winning the war for the hearts and minds of people throughout the world in the
war on terror."
aDCBeast Report This Comment Date: December 16, 2005 08:50AM
Look at how Bush looks like McCain is president and he is the senator.
Anonymous@238240
There is no war on terror you idiot. Stop being lead around by the nose by the
NEOCon bullshit.
jgoins Report This Comment Date: December 16, 2005 11:56AM
Beast, from your statement it is clear to see that you think there are no
terrorists and you think Bush arrange the attack on 9/11. Well I feel sorry for
you because I used to follow conspiracy theories, but when my health started
degrading I realized it was all the theories which brought it about. So I grew
up and quit believing them so my worrying stopped and my health improved. I
haven't had to see a doctor in over 10 years now. You can continue the way you
have been if you like but you will be supporting the medical community by doing
so.
Anonymous Report This Comment Date: December 16, 2005 02:33PM
jgoins, that was a double-plus-good speach. BTW, 2+2=5
aDCBeast Report This Comment Date: December 17, 2005 02:35AM
jgoins
WTF are you talking about ? I said there is no "war on terror". I
never said there were no terrorists.
The "War on Terror" as Bush talks about it is made up. The US is not
going after terrorists.
Keep in mind that the real reason for events like 9-11 is provocation.
1rst world nations need to keep from imposing their world on 3rd world nations.
That ranges from culture, governmental style, to business culture.
Demnding changes in a country or you are going to withold a countries means of
feeding it's people should prompt a 9-11 attack.
Al Qeada is not some huge global terror group. They are quite small. There are
1000s of groups across the world that want to vidicate their way of life,
peoples, country, etc against imperialist aggression of the US and Britain.
Those groups range in size from 1 whacko in his basement like Duane to groups
with as many as 1000 members.
Al Qeada happens to be the most visible and the most dangerous because the CIA
trained them.
But Bush is not going after terrorists. Why ? Because most of Al Qeada are 50+yr
old men now. They can't be the foot soldiers. So what is left of them they
employee smaller groups like Atta's group who carried out 9-11. BTW, All 19 men
who carried out the 9-11 attacks are DEAD. No need to hunt that group down is
there?
Stop accepting the lies at face value. If terrorism was important the military
would have scoured Saudi Arabia and Afghanistan first. Iraq is a huge tangent to
the war on terror. Bush could not have taken his eye more off the ball.
Usama still breathes 4 1/3yrs later. There is no way a person lives that long
after a 9-11 event without help from the "enemy".
Anonymous Report This Comment Date: December 17, 2005 05:54AM
Well shit, lets just give up, DC said so, lets just get the vasaline, bend over
and grab our collective ankles. I think we should start looking for a nice city
to invite Usama to live in and lets give him a nice house to live in provided by
FEMA, while we're at it. Never mind the the Libs have already done most of
that..
aDCBeast Report This Comment Date: December 17, 2005 07:27AM
Anonymous@238240
Who said give up ? I said get your eye on the stated goal. If we are serious
about stopping terrorism around the globe then we have to do specific
things.
1. Stop creating new terrorists with cowboy actions like Iraq. Realize that
America can not exist in peace without the rest of the world being at peace.
Nation building never leads to peace. Look at Israel for example. Every arab
country keeps its mouth shut because Israel was formed illegally. Iraq is viewed
in the same light.
2. Stop hiring mercenary groups to do our fighting. They always come back to
haunt you.
3. Foster the flourishment of poor countries. Not with 100% financial aid. Teach
them how to market their products (hopefully they have some) rather than let
american businesses rape the countries with no home grown businesses making
money to sustain growth.
4. The US has to stop trying to change the culture of a people. Especially if
that culture is of a religious nature. They have to learn on their own. The US
did from slavery. They can do it as well. No outside country forced the US to
give up slavery.
jgoins Report This Comment Date: December 17, 2005 11:01AM
Beast, take a look at the Koran that Al Qaeda subverts to their own and you
will see Al Qaeda's stated beliefs. They are at war with Infidels and they
believe they have to either convert them or kill them. their statemnts about
our foreign policy has nothing to do with what they want to achieve. Their only
goal is to spread their type of Islam around the world and by doing this they
will gain the power they desire. There is absolutely nothing we can do in
foreign relations which will make them stop. They think they can defeat the
great Satan and by doing so they think they can recruit all of Islam to their
style Islam. They believe that if they can bring about a great holy war that
Islam would win and they would have their desired place in world power. For Al
Qaeda and all other middle eastern terrorists organizations it is only about
power. To think anything else is defeatest and will only aid them in their
tasks.
aDCBeast Report This Comment Date: December 17, 2005 03:44PM
jgoins
Horseshiite. Islam is a mask for Al Qaeda. The leaders use it to woo new
recruits but the leadership such as Bin Laden do not use the quran to base their
ideology.
You spouted the propaganda needed to hook the small minded individuals in the
western world into supporting military action against followers of extreme
factions of islam.
Constantly linking terrorist groups with radical forms of islam hides what
terrorists groups really are. Hence why the Bush administration has done exactly
that.
Funny that you state Al Qaeda is about radical islam at the beginning of your
rant then you end it with Al Qaeda is only about power. The quran only talks
about "driving out" the infidels. Driving out. That is not the same as
spreading islam around the globe as you say. That is pure mularkey.
The second part of your statement is true. Al Qaeda is now about power. Not
world power as you say but internal power to keep "infidels" (the
west) from raping it's land.
jgoins Report This Comment Date: December 18, 2005 12:03PM
Dcbeast says "Funny that you state Al Qaeda is about radical islam at the
beginning of your rant then you end it with Al Qaeda is only about power. The
quran only talks about "driving out" the infidels. Driving out. That
is not the same as spreading islam around the globe as you say. That is pure
mularkey."
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The Koran says nothing about driving the infidels out, it say to kill them or
convert them and it also states wherever they may exist. It is possible for Al
Qaeda to believe in this hardline form of Islam while at the same time desire to
gain world power. If Al Qaeda can bring about the holy war they desire, they
can gain the power they want. With moslems spread around the glob they would
all have to make a choice if or when all of Islam decides to start a holy war.
If the majority of them decide to join the holy war it would be disastorous for
the world.
aDCBeast Report This Comment Date: December 19, 2005 09:41PM
jgoings
As usual you don't know what you are talking about.
Quran
2:191 “Slay them wherever you find and catch them, and drive them out from
where they have turned you out; for persecution and oppression are worse than
slaughter.”
"Where they have turned you out." That can only be on muslim
ground.
But it is only the foolish or opportunists sell the idea that Islam is about
world domination and terror. Why ? Because the christian bible has similar
verses to that of the quran.
If one desired to misinterpret verses in the christian bible you could say is a
terrorist manual.
In fact, christians already fought a few holy wars based on the their bible
didn't they ?
Al Qeada wants to be able defend muslim lands from outsiders. The political
structure in most muslim nations do not allow the people to get beyond puppet
monarchies and they suffer under them. So groups like Al Qeada were needed to
defend the people from monarchs, despots, and imperialists. The US and Britain
are obvious imperialists.
fossil_digger Report This Comment Date: December 20, 2005 04:36AM
so your muslim also B? that makes a lot more sense
Ninepointfiver Report This Comment Date: December 20, 2005 07:17AM
Beast, why are you such a sympathizer with an obvious enemy of this country? It
doesn't matter what you say, it doesn't matter how much of the "Arabic
Talmud" you know, you are a piece of shit.....not even a whole turd, just a
pebble.
jgoins Report This Comment Date: December 20, 2005 12:32PM
dcbeast says, "Al Qeada wants to be able defend muslim lands from
outsiders. The political structure in most muslim nations do not allow the
people to get beyond puppet monarchies and they suffer under them. So groups
like Al Qeada were needed to defend the people from monarchs, despots, and
imperialists. The US and Britain are obvious imperialists."
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Then it would be logical to assume that they will attack anywhere in the world
because they attacked the US in New York on 9/11. You also stated that they
only want power, if it can be seen that they defeate the US then they would have
that power and we can never allow that to happen. It is clear by your posts
that you must belong to Al Qaeda. Do you know where OBL is? Tell us where his
is and you can collect the reward and maybe it will put you in command when he
is gone.
aDCBeast Report This Comment Date: December 20, 2005 05:46PM
jgoins
I love how you created a strawman argument restating what I said to mistate my
point. Lame.
I said Al Qeada formed because the puppet monarchies in many muslim nations get
in bed with the US and Britain to the detriment of it's peoples. Al Qeada was a
resistance group. One that was employed by the US many times. A group like the
contras.
You believe the stupidity of George W. Muslim terrorists don't want to defeat
the US or Britain. That is the big lie. There is no "War on Terror".
None.
These groups just want the US and Britain out of muslim lands.
Bin Laden is in Saudi Arabia living in luxury thanks to a deal George W made
with his family.
aDCBeast Report This Comment Date: December 20, 2005 10:33PM
fossil_digger
Uhh .. no I'm not muslim.
Ninepointfiver@16746
I bet you tired yourself out with that gem. Better take a nap.
Ninepointfiver Report This Comment Date: December 21, 2005 12:50AM
Hey, it was good one though! However, you're right...YAWN!!!!!!
fossil_digger Report This Comment Date: December 21, 2005 05:27AM
ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ,did i miss anything?
