jgoins Report This Comment Date: September 23, 2012 11:11AM
If there are others like this guy they are not making themselves known nearly
enough.
BlahX3 Report This Comment Date: September 23, 2012 12:34PM
How much of that is the media's fault? Violence sells.
quasi Report This Comment Date: September 23, 2012 12:58PM
Meanwhile, in a "peaceful" western nation.
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BlahX3 Report This Comment Date: September 23, 2012 01:16PM
How civilized.
jgoins Report This Comment Date: September 24, 2012 12:28PM
Well at least those crowds weren't intentionally being violent they just wanted
to party. The moral of the story is stay off facebook.
BlahX3 Report This Comment Date: September 24, 2012 10:48PM
So... no praise for progress? Tough crowd...
Mrkim Report This Comment Date: September 25, 2012 02:03AM
Progress is always admirable but ..... for every picture you can find like this
I can come up with 20+ that go the other way.
If this cat waddn such a lone voice odds are there would be a lot less
resentment towards this supposed "religion of peace"
BlahX3 Report This Comment Date: September 25, 2012 01:23PM
I know. It's sad but I still have hope and it's better than nothing at all.
quasi Report This Comment Date: September 25, 2012 05:19PM
I just have a real problem with condemning a whole group of people because of
the actions of some of those people; whether it's Muslims condemning all
westerners or westerners condemning all Muslims, it's all the same thing and
leads to the same bloody end.
BlahX3 Report This Comment Date: September 25, 2012 05:33PM
I do too Q. I know sometimes people here assume I am in support of Muslims but
I am not, I am in support of human beings and finding common ground and
improving relations and try to get beyond this us vs them mind set. I do
understand why that mind set exists and I'm not saying it has no basis in
reality at all, but that when it mushrooms into a grouping of people into a bad
category and violence is perpetrated based upon that it has gone too far and
then "us" is playing the same game as "them". I believe if
we focus on and accentuate the positive that there is it will nurture it and
then peace and tolerance will eventually become the predominant mind set.
If the goal is to anger and incite radical militant Muslims to violent behavior
then provoking them works, but all that does is perpetuate more violence, more
distrust and more polarization between westerners and mid-easterners. Is that
our goal, to perpetuate the violence? It is not my goal. I don't believe it is
the goal of the governments involved in trying to contain and minimize the
violence either. You (we) may not agree with their views and tactics but efforts
towards peace should always be welcomed.
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jgoins Report This Comment Date: September 30, 2012 11:03AM
Peace can never be gained as long as others do not allow the worse of us the
right to free speech equally as the best of us.
fossil_digger Report This Comment Date: September 30, 2012 12:12PM
radical Islam needs no provoking, it is their religious belief to create a
world wide caliphate however they can, they know that by force is the only way
it will happen. political correctness will not help or hurt the situation.
*simple fact*
BlahX3 Report This Comment Date: October 01, 2012 03:14AM
Cross referencing posts you cross referenced [
plus613.net];
Your statement is NOT applicable to anything but RADICAL MILITANT Islam and
applying it to the entire Mid-east is nothing but ridiculous. The entire
Mid-east is NOT Muslim. The entire Muslim community in the Mid-east is NOT
radical and militant either.
fossil_digger Report This Comment Date: October 01, 2012 03:24AM
did i claim otherwise? nope
BlahX3 Report This Comment Date: October 01, 2012 03:44AM
You're right, but taken within the context of JG's comment which you replied to
referencing your comment in this thread and calling your own comment "a
reality check" it is easy to make that connection. Just because you didn't
explicitly state it does not rule out that it may have been implied and perhaps
intentionally so. Come on Digger, you play that game all the time, just like our
beloved leaders and politicians do, except when I call you on that shit you
resort to "yo momma" jokes.
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Mrkim Report This Comment Date: October 01, 2012 04:07AM
Implications and assumptions regarding anyones thoughts are pretty fragile
precipes to tread upon. Such ice is precariously thin and seldom worth the risk
of waltzin upon
BlahX3 Report This Comment Date: October 01, 2012 05:24AM
Of course it is inherently flawed to make assumption, yet equally flawed to not
consider context.
jgoins Report This Comment Date: October 01, 2012 11:15AM
Just like in this country a vocal minority can ruin things for the silent
majority. This might be what is happening in the middle east where the vocal
minority make the world think the majority of the middle east are radicals.
Until the rest of the Muslim world gets their voice out and start using it then
the radicals will determine how the rest live or die.
fossil_digger Report This Comment Date: October 01, 2012 01:45PM
you called me on being an asshole, so naturally momma jokes were required to
stay on the same level.
BlahX3 Report This Comment Date: October 01, 2012 03:14PM
Nope, you're wrong. This last round you started the momma crap when I said you
weren't important enough to be annoying to me. I didn't single you out as still
being an asshole until after that, so your excuse is invalidated.
fossil_digger Report This Comment Date: October 01, 2012 03:53PM
i'm rubber, you're glue.............
jgoins Report This Comment Date: October 02, 2012 11:37AM
Childish name calling invalidates all arguments any time it occurs.
BlahX3 Report This Comment Date: October 02, 2012 01:28PM
It certainly hinders any further discussion. I notice that some people resort
to that kind of thing when they can't come up with something meaningful to add
to the discussion or a good point to make in an argument. Oh well. It's to be
expected I suppose.
And I agree with you JG about the rest of the Muslim world needing to be more
outspoken. It is happening more now as suppressive/oppressive regimes are
starting to crumble. My hope and prayers are that they will succeed in embarking
on their democratic endeavors. I think there's a good chance for improvement.
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fossil_digger Report This Comment Date: October 02, 2012 01:55PM
meaningful discussion is meaningless with you, Blurf. you believe nothing and
offer less.
jgoins Report This Comment Date: October 03, 2012 11:17AM
They will never be able to remove their repressive governments by themselves,
they will need the world's help but will never get it. The people of Iran have
been trying for years but have had no success because the military control is
too strong for the people. Hopefully Israel will help in that area soon.
BlahX3 Report This Comment Date: October 03, 2012 12:40PM
Just because I don't agree with everything someone else thinks and says doesn't
mean I have no beliefs, but thank you for the compliment anyway.
pro_junior Report This Comment Date: October 03, 2012 07:08PM
man, they were nihilists, man
BlahX3 Report This Comment Date: October 03, 2012 08:28PM
I meant that in the Buddhist sense, not the nihilist.
Mrkim Report This Comment Date: October 04, 2012 02:42AM
There seems to be an all too obvious point that's evading you Blah. The
mooslime theocracy is not just a faith, it's all all encompassing way of life,
governance and law.
They DO NOT believe in, nor want a democracy
jgoins Report This Comment Date: October 04, 2012 11:16AM
The middle east does want democracy as long as they can force their people to
vote for the right things and they can still shoot any who disagree with them.
BlahX3 Report This Comment Date: October 04, 2012 12:18PM
That doesn't evade me. I Just don't agree that it is necessarily the majority
of Mid-eastern people. The loud, murderous assholes have all the attention. I
think it s wrong to lump them all together and say they are all assholes or even
that the majority of them are. It is a big "they" people have created
in their minds, not without some justification, I'll hand you that. I try to be
more optimistic though and I do think some changes are taking place over there
and hope for the best outcome.
jgoins Report This Comment Date: October 05, 2012 11:13AM
The loud murderous assholes are just the foot soldiers for the rest of the
middle east. I've never seen a middle eastern hippy spouting make love not war
before.
BlahX3 Report This Comment Date: October 05, 2012 12:22PM
I have known a lot of people from the Mid-east (Libya, Egypt, Afghanistan,
Pakistan, Iran, Palestine, Kuwait to name some) and they are not murderous
assholes and according to them neither are their average countrymen. The war
mongering wanna-take-over-the-world assholes are not representative of the
majority of people living there.
quasi Report This Comment Date: October 05, 2012 02:25PM
"The loud murderous assholes are just the foot soldiers for the rest of
the middle east."
And their excuse for killing us is, "The loud murderous assholes are just
the foot soldiers for the jews."
Same mentality.
jgoins Report This Comment Date: October 06, 2012 10:46AM
I might be inclined to believe they are not all the same if we could see them
doing something about their loud murderous assholes. If the radical muslems can
go around killing anyone they choose then the other muslems can also kill the
radicals. If I see that then I would believe they are not all the same.
If they would leave the Jews alone then I might believe Islam is a religion of
peace.
BlahX3 Report This Comment Date: October 06, 2012 12:19PM
You see what you want to see. I see it differently.
fossil_digger Report This Comment Date: October 06, 2012 01:47PM
the sky is purple..............
jgoins Report This Comment Date: October 07, 2012 11:49AM
Rose colored glasses do help. The governments in the middle east allow the
radicals to kill people so if the rest of the people would start killing the
radicals then it wouldn't be long till the radical movement would disappear.
BlahX3 Report This Comment Date: October 07, 2012 01:57PM
Trying to have a positive mind-set doesn't mean I am wearing rose colored
glasses. I see the evil in the world.
jgoins Report This Comment Date: October 08, 2012 10:48AM
Well that's good. Then maybe you would wait for Islam to prove it is a
peaceful religion before you believe it is peaceful. Thus-far there has been no
proof of peace.
BlahX3 Report This Comment Date: October 08, 2012 07:14PM
How many Muslim people have you personally known?
jgoins Report This Comment Date: October 09, 2012 10:56AM
I don't have to personally know rattlesnakes to know they are dangerous. I do
know that when people believe in their religion as heavily as they do trouble
follows. I also believe that if their governments were different then the
radicals would have less power.
jgoins Report This Comment Date: October 10, 2012 11:18AM
That's what I'm saying the people and the governments in the middle east won't
stand up against the radicals. The people I can almost understand not standing
up to them because their governments won't protect them but if there really is a
majority of people opposed to the radicals and they all rose up against them
then the radicals would cease to exist sooner or later. Is that not what happen
when Americans rose up against Britain in the revolutionary war? If it is
important enough for the Islamic people to be seen as non radical then they can
take over their countries from the radicals.
BlahX3 Report This Comment Date: October 10, 2012 01:46PM
It is beginning to happen in some countries but you do your best to ignore and
dismiss it.
jgoins Report This Comment Date: October 11, 2012 12:11PM
I will continue to ignore it until majority succeed in destroying the radicals
or the very least they allow their women equal rights.
BlahX3 Report This Comment Date: October 11, 2012 09:12PM
You won't recognize and give credit where it is due. Democratic revolution is
already in progress over there, including the fight for women's rights.
Apparently you'd rather ignore it or bomb it all into oblivion. How humane of
you.
Mrkim Report This Comment Date: October 12, 2012 01:56AM
Really? Name even ONE country in the ME where these rose colored glasses type
events are takin place blah
I get it man, there's all this peace love n harmony happenin over there huh?
Sorry, but I'm callin BS on that one dude
If you REALLY believe that shit then please accept your position as a pawn in
their game, 'cause that's exactly what you are ... nothing more and damned sure
nothin less
quasi Report This Comment Date: October 12, 2012 09:42AM
I think there are probably far more decent, peaceful people in those countries
than we realize, regular folks who have a live and let live attitude but, with
good reason, are in fear for their lives if they should speak up. Hopefully the
tide is beginning to turn in their favor and they'll be saying more and more,
"I'm mad as hell and I'm not gonna take this shit anymore from the violent,
self serving punk asses who want to run my life." This is where Blah's
timeline comes into play for me - the western world had a head start in getting
past the bulk of the violence and the middle east is playing catch up. They once
had a flourishing, intelligent society, and could once again. Or they could just
continue to kill each other off through sheer stupidity.
jgoins Report This Comment Date: October 12, 2012 10:52AM
They will continue to kill each other while trying to kill the rest of the
world as well. Hopefully they will kill themselves off before they do much
damage to the rest of the world.
BlahX3 Report This Comment Date: October 12, 2012 02:07PM
You are way behind on playing catch up with history and facts Kim, and have the
imaginary balls to accuse me of wearing rose colored glasses while you are
wearing blinders.
Women were granted the right to vote on a universal and equal basis in Lebanon
in 1952, Syria (to vote) in 1949 (Restrictions or conditions lifted) in 1953,
Egypt in 1956, Tunisia in 1959, Mauritania in 1961, Algeria in 1962, Morocco in
1963, Libya and Sudan in 1964, Yemen (Partly) in 1967 (full right) in 1970,
Bahrain in 1973, Jordan in 1974, Iraq (Full right) 1980 Oman (Partly) in 1994
and (Fully granted) 2003, and Kuwait in 2005. In 2011, Saudi Arabia announced
that it would give women the right to vote in future elections.
In some of the wealthier Arab countries such as UAE, the number of women
business owners is growing rapidly and adding to the economic development of the
country. Many of these women work with family businesses and are encouraged to
work and study outside of the home. Arab women are estimated to have $40 billion
of personal wealth at their disposal, with Qatari families being among the
richest in the world.
Since Islam encouraged equality between the sexes, Islam has also encouraged
equality in education. In all Arab countries, girls, just like boys, usually get
their full education in highschool and even move onto getting a Graduate
diploma, and this has been going on for a long time after the 1960s.
Benazir Bhutto was a Pakistani politician who served as the 11th Prime Minister
of Pakistan in two non-consecutive terms from 1988 until 1990, and 1993 until
1996.
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fossil_digger Report This Comment Date: October 12, 2012 02:40PM
you're not taking into account Sharia Islam stats, only Sunni, so you are
wrong.
BlahX3 Report This Comment Date: October 12, 2012 02:52PM
You are showing your ignorance. Sharia is not a sect or branch of Islam as
Sunni is, so YOU are wrong. It is a set of laws that were put together by Muslim
clerics over the ages.
fossil_digger Report This Comment Date: October 12, 2012 03:06PM
and they govern a large percentage of Muslims, so you had better factor them in
because they sure the fuck are.
BlahX3 Report This Comment Date: October 12, 2012 03:26PM
Of course Muslim cleric rule is a factor and it's part of the problem, I never
said it wasn't. But it is certainly not the only factor.
Kim said to show him one ME country where women's rights have advanced and I
showed him 18. Admittedly he did not specifically challenge me for facts on
women's rights but that is a major component of the discussion. As far as
movements in ME nations moving toward democracy (the other major part of the
discussion) is a matter of current events which cannot be disputed. The people
in many so called Arab nations are currently engaging in the overthrow of
repressive regimes and demanding democratic processes in their governments. This
is fact. Arab Spring isn't over people. It's just beginning.
Besides that, the facts I presented were not any Sunni based stats but actual
historical facts that even you can't dispute, Fossil.
The people in ME nations need ongoing education and support to realize they do
have power to choose and affect change in their governments and their lives. The
people in the West need to realize that they sometimes are needing our help. Our
ideals of democracy and liberty and justice are starting to catch on and I am
hopeful that those people can catch up but it doesn't help for us to sit on our
asses and say shit like fuck them, let them kill each other off. That is NOT
what American values are about.
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Mrkim Report This Comment Date: October 13, 2012 12:04AM
As usual blah you've gone off on a number of tangents while never even
addressing what I said. Let's try this again and I'll spell it out all nice and
plain so maybe you can get it this time.
Name ONE country in the ME where there's a democratic revolution that's ongoing
as you stated was the case and I called bullshit on.
Every "Arab Spring" event that's taken place has indeed included large
segments of people wanting democratic changes, yet every such movement has also
been subverted by hardline Muslims instead. leading eventually to more
empowerment of the Islamic concepts of Sharia governance and nothing truly
resembling a republic democracy as you claim to have occurred.
The religion of Islam also does not recognize women as even equals to men and
until that changes there will never be any hope for any type of real democracy
in the ME.
The cultures and many of the countries in the ME are hundreds if not thousands
of years older than our own and there is still not even one that recognizes all
people as equal.
Like I said before, Muslims do not want democracy
fossil_digger Report This Comment Date: October 13, 2012 02:02AM
hope all you want Blurf, but how many lives will your hope cost? Shia Muslims
do not want peace and will settle for nothing in between no matter how many
fools like you hope for it. they do not want peace, Democracy, to be brought
into the 21rst century, women's rights, rights for anyone other than their
beliefs, and they damn sure do not want to discuss it further.
fools that hope for change are costing lives...plain and simple fact.
jgoins Report This Comment Date: October 13, 2012 11:31AM
Does anyone think the movements in the ME toward democracy were brought about
by Iraq being changed?
quasi Report This Comment Date: October 13, 2012 11:52AM
I think it's just a natural progression of people wanting to be free of
tyranny. And once freedom is eventually achieved people gradually get complacent
and end up being controlled by tyrants again because of their own apathy. Iraq
had as much to do with creating more hatred of the west as it did with
instilling the idea of removing tyrants, probably more. As I write this, my son
is on his way to a six month deployment in Kuwait, not a bad place to be in that
region, but how long will that last or how quickly will he be sent to a
"crisis" nearby?
BlahX3 Report This Comment Date: October 13, 2012 03:56PM
"As usual blah you've gone off on a number of tangents while never even
addressing what I said. Let's try this again and I'll spell it out all nice and
plain so maybe you can get it this time."
Bullshit Kim. I stated facts pertinent to the discussion. There was no going off
on tangents, it was all on topic, and your "as usual" accusation is
baseless. If anything I am one of the few people here who actually attempts to
stay on topic.
"Name ONE country in the ME where there's a democratic revolution that's
ongoing as you stated was the case and I called bullshit on."
Read the news.
"Every "Arab Spring" event that's taken place has indeed included
large segments of people wanting democratic changes, yet every such movement has
also been subverted by hardline Muslims instead. leading eventually to more
empowerment of the Islamic concepts of Sharia governance and nothing truly
resembling a republic democracy as you claim to have occurred."
I never made that claim in the first place. I did not claim that any truly
democratic government is in place yet over there, I said there are people
fighting for that and it is ongoing. That is all I said.
You have no proof of your statement and you couldn't, since the processes are
still ongoing.
You equate any Muslim related/associated governance with Sharia extremism and
that is not accurate and could not be since we do not yet know how things will
unfold. You see the words "Muslim Brotherhood" in the case of Egypt
for example and automatically assume it's evil because it is "Muslim"
without taking into account what their new democratically elected president is
actually doing and saying.
"The religion of Islam also does not recognize women as even equals to men
and until that changes there will never be any hope for any type of real
democracy in the ME.
The cultures and many of the countries in the ME are hundreds if not thousands
of years older than our own and there is still not even one that recognizes all
people as equal."
In your mind anything Muslim equals Sharia law and inequality. You know next to
nothing, if anything at all, about Islam, and it is evident in your baseless
bigotry. Islam in the Koran is no more patriarchal than Judaism or Christianity
is in the Bible. You talk about things you have no knowledge of as though you
are an expert. I admit I am no expert but I have researched things and do have
some knowledge about the things I say.
Again you have no historical timeline reference. Islamic cultures are NOT
thousands of years old and very much younger than Christianity and Judaism, and
NONE of them in practice recognize that all people are equal either. Prior to
the emergence of these religions we shared many things in common culturally. If
you are referring to American culture that is a laugh. America is a mush-mash of
cultures.
"Like I said before, Muslims do not want democracy"
Well that is certainly quite the opposite of what many Muslims are saying and
fighting for. I think we will just have to wait and see what happens.
I support their efforts toward equality and democratic rule. I think you have
blinders on. You refuse to see reason and facts. I don't support Muslim bigotry
anymore than I support American bigotry.
fossil_digger Report This Comment Date: October 13, 2012 08:55PM
AFLAC!
Mrkim Report This Comment Date: October 14, 2012 12:00AM
Here ya go blah, your words not mine, and directly quoted from your above
post:
Democratic revolution is already in progress over there, including the fight
for women's rights
One last time, where is over there? Name the country where people are fighting
for a representative democracy.
And please don't get your ideologies confused and try to mention a
representative theocracy as they are far from the same thing.
While this is a rhetorical question, go ahead and let 'er rip.
I do have to wonder how it must feel to be a pawn? Perhaps this is a question
you could actually answer, yet I expect you have no concept that you indeed are
one
fossil_digger Report This Comment Date: October 14, 2012 02:29AM
AFLAC!
BlahX3 Report This Comment Date: October 14, 2012 03:59AM
Recently Libya and Egypt, and other nations that already have democratic
governments. They may not be the greatest but neither is ours and they have the
extra handicap of having all that tribal bullshit and party factions and
religious wackos to deal with. Our country already dealt with those problems
pretty effectively; we outlawed religious government, killed the fucking tribes
off or shoved them out of the way, and we overpower all the little political
parties with sheer dollar amounts. We are ahead of the game and they've got to
catch up.
"Muslims don't want democracy." Boy that statement just reeks of
equality, huh? You're a hypocrite. You are a bigot. You lump all ME people into
Muslims and you lump all Muslims into being evil murderous bastards.
If anyone is a pawn in the radical militant Jihad kill everyone else game it's
people like you who play into their hatred game and promote more hatred which
they actually WANT. They want more polarization, it is their validation to kill
those different from them. They want more justification for more terrorism. Wake
up and stop feeding the hatred. Don't give them the justification of hatred they
want by hating them.
So you tell me, how does it feel to be an unaware pawn in their hatred game? How
does it feel to know that they succeed in their goal of instilling terror and/or
hatred in your mind and the minds of many Americans?
fossil_digger Report This Comment Date: October 14, 2012 04:11AM
did you totally forget the Muslim brotherhood?
crazy factions...........?
BlahX3 Report This Comment Date: October 14, 2012 04:27AM
No, not at all, but Egypt's new President vows to help create a sectarian
government and their constitutional court does also. It's gonna be a tough fight
but they are starting. If the Muslim Brotherhood party was not included in
elections then it would not have been a fair and representative vote, which is
what forced the constitutional court to allow it. They are going to continue to
stumble over the religious affiliations for some time but so did the American
colonies, remember? Give them time. There's always a chance.
And no, I said party factions, not crazy factions.
BTW, Mursi officially quit that party upon taking office.
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Mrkim Report This Comment Date: October 14, 2012 08:18AM
If believin the blahther line helps ya sleep better at night, perhaps there's
some validity in believin as you do, but sorry dude, that dog just won't hunt
here.
However, just keep on spewin like they intend you to do, afterall, that's what
good little pawns are for
jgoins Report This Comment Date: October 14, 2012 10:32AM
During WWII did we not include all Germans or all Japanese in our hatred and
distrust? If it is done when the enemy wears a uniform then it should be done
even more when the enemy does not wear a uniform. We do not know which Muslim
is a radical until they do something to show it because radicalism is not
clearly visible. Therefore we must lump all Muslims together until one or the
other show by their actions which category they fall under.
BlahX3 Report This Comment Date: October 14, 2012 03:49PM
Innocent people should not be punished for the crimes of others. I understand
why that happened but it doesn't make it right and it wasn't. We don't have to
repeat the mistakes of the past and we should find ways of avoiding them.
There is a difference between hating an enemy and fighting an enemy. Fighting
out of conviction to what is right and retribution for wrongs done by an enemy
does not require hatred and the more clear minded we are about it the more
effective our fight is. Hatred clouds the mind and makes people do stupid
things. Although it is understandable to hate it is still ultimately a mistake.
In the case of fighting terrorism it becomes even more important. Hate is very
closely tied to fear. Remember what GW Bush told us, do not let them instill
terror in us, that is what they want.
I don't believe this stuff because it helps me sleep better at night, Kim. I
believe it because it rings true in my mind and I look into things and find as
close to the truth as we are able to. I don't just blindly go off on some
bandwagon. Things are not cut and dry in the world, not black and white. Life is
not that simple. Bigotry, hatred and prejudice are the easy ways to be. Getting
past that crap requires thinking and re-evaluating and some people are just too
lazy to be bothered with any of that.
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fossil_digger Report This Comment Date: October 14, 2012 04:32PM
if radical Islam does not rethink, reconsider, or marginalize whatsoever, why
should we, you, or any one else? there is no making friends with them, there is
no appeasing them to their expectations, and there damn sure is no making them
change. thinking good thoughts for their salvation or whatever other mindless
bullshit you are expecting of them plays right into their wheel house.....sucker
BlahX3 Report This Comment Date: October 14, 2012 05:04PM
I agree that the hard line radical assholes will not change but I do not agree
that just because they are assholes that justifies me being an asshole in
return. We don't have to stoop down to their level. I am not talking about
trying to change them at all. I am not praying for their salvation. I am not
talking about forgiving them. I am talking about the OTHER people who are
deserving of hope and help. I am talking about not lumping all the people in the
mid-east into one group. I think I have made that pretty clear time and again
but some of you seem to ignore that. Maybe you don't ignore it but what you say
here sure makes it appear so to me.
I don't even expect you to agree with me, just to listen and consider what I
have to say without summarily dismissing it. I believe progress in the world is
possible but not if we keep thinking the same old shit that doesn't work. If we
give up on everyone over there and just hate em all that does no good at all.
Mrkim Report This Comment Date: October 14, 2012 05:08PM
Honestly blah I have no idea where you come off with these constant mentions of
hating anyone/group/nationality/religious following. I don't hate any of these.
The words "I hate _ _ _ _" quite simply don't roll off either my
tongue nor get hammered out my keeboard because such phrases are not
representative of my thoughts, much less my own personally held ideologies.
If ya wanna lean towards distrust and disbelief in what some of these factions
do versus what they claim to do then we can agree I am indeed distrustful and
disbelieving, but neither of those concepts can be taken to the extremes of
hatred.
BTW, I am equally distrustful of ALL religions as in my view they all
lead/cajole/manipulate the masses for their own agendas and purposes, none of
which lead to the betterment and progression of humankind as a whole as they are
all divisive in this way.
Any time one religion holds themselves above others, we all lose as a race of
peoples and this has no bearing on what skin tone the participants wear
externally because under the outer layers, we're really all just humans.
Spending untold hours studying news stories from a multitude of sources, reading
blogs from various differing groups and interacting with individuals to help get
an even more personal insight from others experiences is what I have used to
then help create the view and opinions I personally hold forth.
I was taught at a very young age to question any and all things, to never
blindly believe or follow anything, nor anyone without 1st thoroughly inspecting
the "facts" others tried to represent and then running all such
information through a filter to ascertain if it was being agendized or otherwise
manipulated in hopes of gaining some sort of personal ground/acceptance,
financial benefit or from a perceived acquisition of power through agreement by
others regarding these supposed "truths" they espoused.
If this seems like a lazy way to formulate a world view then I am unsure what
would be required of me to pass your test on such matters, though honestly I
couldn't give 2 shits if I do or not.
I'm not on this planet to make anyone but myself happy as I know in reality I am
the only one I CAN make happy since personal happiness is an issue of personal
responsibility, not one I can create for others
fossil_digger Report This Comment Date: October 14, 2012 05:57PM
the only thing that the hard line radical assholes comprehend is an asshole x
100, that's all they will ever understand. the dictators we installed in the
Middle east over the years kept our feet (indirectly) on the necks of these
asswipes, but now Odumbfuck and his pacifist / appeasement policies have been in
place, its obvious what has taken place there now...the whole mother trucker is
in flames being taken over by Shia Islam one by one.
do not believe Morsi has forsaken his beliefs, if you do, you are a bigger
sucker than i think you are.
BlahX3 Report This Comment Date: October 14, 2012 07:22PM
Fossil, I don't think Mursi has abandoned his faith but I do hope he is sincere
in his vow to keep his government separate from religion and truly be for all of
the people in his country and not play favorites. We will just have to see how
that works out. I won't be completely shocked if it comes about much like you
describe but I do not assume it will and I believe there is a chance for change
there.
Calling me a "sucker" is really uncalled for though. Just because I
don't see eye to eye with you doesn't make me anything but being different from
you.
fossil_digger Report This Comment Date: October 14, 2012 07:46PM
playing the name calling victim will get you laughed at by me and the
characters you are hoping will go against hundreds of years of religious
tradition, and yes, you are as big of a sucker as i have ever seen.
fossil_digger Report This Comment Date: October 14, 2012 07:49PM
Morsi is nothing more than playing O'dumbfuck for our millions of aid every
year while funnelling it to the Muslim brotherhood and their respective U.S.
hater groups using it against us. double sucker
BlahX3 Report This Comment Date: October 14, 2012 08:01PM
Kim, I get the hatred thing from the words you say and how you say them. Your
attitude that comes across indicates bigotry to me and to me bigotry and hatred
are the same thing. I accept your explanation of your views and will keep that
in mind.
I obviously do not agree with all of your views, I am a different person with
different experiences. While I do not espouse any religion or sect of one I do
see value in core teachings and concepts of many of them. I agree that in
practice official religions have done and do as you have said. However on the
individual level I know this is definitely not always the case. I know this by
personal experience with the people and by learning from their personal
experiences. I also know a great deal about many religions due to personal
involvement with them. I am not an expert but I am experienced enough to know
that many ideas and assumptions about religions that inexperienced people have
about them are not valid and based on superficial and flawed information.
Islam is probably my least favorite religion if I were to classify religions
into favorites. However that does not prevent me from believing the peaceful
performance of their type of worship is a right they are entitled to. When
someone in the name of Islam crosses the line they have sacrificed their right
to freedom of religion in the same way that any criminal sacrifices certain of
their rights as a direct result of their crime. Unfortunately the killers in the
name of Islam get all the attention and that's the info many people base their
attitude about Islam on and that is not really how the majority of Muslims are.
It is the lumping them all together and thinking and saying they are all evil
because they are Muslim that I find fault with. Too many Americans are content
to do just that and it unfortunately influences popular opinion. This in turn
causes more polarization and misunderstanding and makes efforts towards
solutions much harder.
I understand that you feel you are only here to please yourself and that is your
right to believe that way. I do not believe that about myself. At least not in
the same way as you appear to. I believe the way to make myself happy in part
involves minimizing things I do that make other people unhappy. The more unhappy
people there are the more I run into them and they make ME unhappy. I call it
being wisely selfish. It's just the golden rule is all and it works.
BlahX3 Report This Comment Date: October 14, 2012 08:15PM
"playing the name calling victim will get you laughed at by me and the
characters you are hoping will go against hundreds of years of religious
tradition, and yes, you are as big of a sucker as i have ever seen."
I am not playing victim here. It is obvious that you don't comprehend some of
what I say and assume I am playing into the sucker role based on your
mis-comprehensions. Being hopeful that people can and do change is not foolish
either. Like I said, we will have to wait and see what happens. We will see how
mature Mursi is in regards to being able to separate religion and state in his
government. I don't necessarily believe that he will but I have HOPE that he
will. That would indicate that some people over there are trying to catch up.
We'll see how it goes. If that makes me a sucker in your mind then that is your
problem, not mine.
Mrkim Report This Comment Date: October 14, 2012 08:43PM
Here's a cuppla concepts that might be a bit over your head but I'll lay 'em
out there anyway blah:
1. Whatever perception of anything one chooses to view anything with resides in
the viewer/interpreter and not the speaker.No matter what I say I have no
responsibility in how you choose to perceive or interpret it, that's all on you,
not me.
2. Believing you have any part in anyones happiness but your own is a fallacy of
the highest order. Your own happiness and mental state is the only thing you
truly have the power to effect any amount of change to. Believing otherwise is
to believe one has more personal power than is plausible.
The only hinging tenet of the above 2 statements is if one is speaking truth and
not with an intention of doing harm intentionally to another with thier words.
If your intention is to do such harm then all bets are off
I have tried for years to always attempt to make my own thoughts as transparent
as possible to negate any need for interpretation after the fact, so if you
interpret them as different from how they are written please understand you must
also accept all responsibility for any such interpretations
BlahX3 Report This Comment Date: October 14, 2012 09:19PM
I am more intelligent and attentive than you think I am. Doesn't matter. None
of that is not over my head at all. I understand mental projection and
perception very well, thank you.
I respectfully differ on #2 in this regard; One can indeed influence the level
of another's happiness by purposefully not causing them unhappiness (not
increasing their unhappiness) and by doing things that do make them happy. In
turn the happier person is more likely to treat me nicely, which makes me
happier. People do have what influence over each others emotions they allow
between themselves. This a relationship.
You final statement summarizes and in this I agree, however I must offer my well
intentioned criticism that your choices of words and vernacular and style are
not always as clear and concise as you might imagine.
pro_junior Report This Comment Date: October 15, 2012 07:23AM
I pooped twice yesterday.
jgoins Report This Comment Date: October 15, 2012 12:28PM
In the case of the hardline radicals and the middle east, the radicals and
terrorists do not wear uniforms or sighs distinguishing themselves from peaceful
moderates so therefor they all look alike until some start killing us. Not
having this distinguishing feature can only make us lump them all in one
category and waiting until some start killing is just plain stupid. Not having
a clear cut enemy in their culture puts all on the line and seems pretty
understandable to me. I cannot make friends with someone if I think he may
shove a knife in my back once it's turned.
quasi Report This Comment Date: October 15, 2012 01:55PM
And perhaps the peaceful moderates have begun to figure out that's why
westerners are lumping them all together and are starting to really do something
about it.
BlahX3 Report This Comment Date: October 15, 2012 02:08PM
I do understand that challenge JG and I don't dismiss it as a valid concern but
we shouldn't let it make us think and say things about them ALL being bad
automatically and that's the kind of stuff I've been reading here and it
troubles me.
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jgoins Report This Comment Date: October 16, 2012 11:06AM
Until the good ones find a way to clearly separate themselves from the bad ones
then one bad apple does spoil the barrel.
jgoins Report This Comment Date: October 16, 2012 11:09AM
Quasi. maybe the good one should start pointing out the bad ones.
BlahX3 Report This Comment Date: October 16, 2012 02:27PM
I think they already are and have been trying to. Sometimes they get into the
news too. That's what this picture is all about.
Sometimes someone's little girl gets shot in the head for it too.
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jgoins Report This Comment Date: October 17, 2012 10:43AM
I really think you are seeing what you want to see over there instead of what
is really happening. Only time will tell if there really are enough in the
middle east who want the radicals gone to get the job done. Hopefully we want
be attacked again while we wait.
BlahX3 Report This Comment Date: October 17, 2012 12:39PM
I think the same thing about you and I've said the almost exactly the same
thing; time will tell. At least I have hope. That is how my mind works. I'm
sorry that part in your brain is busted.
Now as far as negotiating with people like the Taliban I'm with you and Dallas
Corbin on that shit.
fossil_digger Report This Comment Date: October 17, 2012 02:07PM
inside every pessimist is a disgruntled optimist.
BlahX3 Report This Comment Date: October 17, 2012 03:11PM
Heheh. That actually makes some sense Digger and I can actually relate to it
even though I am probably considered an optimist. It's not easy thinking
positive sometimes but I try to anyway. I like to believe there is hope for
humanity yet. I know to some of you that seems like the rose colored glasses
thing and maybe it is, I don't know, it's just how I am wired I guess. even when
I get really disgruntled about things I still come back to well maybe there is
hope after all.
fossil_digger Report This Comment Date: October 17, 2012 03:26PM
credit that one to George Carlin
fossil_digger Report This Comment Date: October 17, 2012 03:27PM
The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of
patriots and tyrants.
Thomas Jefferson
fossil_digger Report This Comment Date: October 17, 2012 03:28PM
The only true wisdom is in knowing you know nothing.
Socrates
fossil_digger Report This Comment Date: October 17, 2012 03:29PM
Do not go where the path may lead, go instead where there is no path and leave
a trail.
Ralph Waldo Emerson
BlahX3 Report This Comment Date: October 17, 2012 03:47PM
I thought that one sounded familiar, Quote Master. George Carlin was pretty
insightful and still managed to retain his sense of humor. The other quotes are
appreciated as well.
jgoins Report This Comment Date: October 18, 2012 11:39AM
Not even the mafia would murder a child, but it happens in the middle east all
the time.
BlahX3 Report This Comment Date: October 18, 2012 01:34PM
The mafia statement is completely false. They have certainly killed children
even if it is not that often.
Aside from that about 100 children are murdered in the US every year, usually by
someone in their own family.
fossil_digger Report This Comment Date: October 18, 2012 01:51PM
other children being murdered do not make it right. i can't believe you said
that.
and yes, i know you didn't say that word for word, so don't bother weasel
cockin' out of it.
how many excuses for radical Islam are you prepared to present? HOLY SHIT!!
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BlahX3 Report This Comment Date: October 18, 2012 04:27PM
I'm not playing along Skidmore. I know what I said. Go try to start an argument
with someone else.
fossil_digger Report This Comment Date: October 18, 2012 05:02PM
i said NO weasel cockin'.
quasi Report This Comment Date: October 18, 2012 05:18PM
Some people always hope for the best.
Some people always expect the worst.
Some people always hope for the best but plan for the worst.
They're all here.
pro_junior Report This Comment Date: October 18, 2012 05:24PM
some men just want to watch the world burn
fossil_digger Report This Comment Date: October 18, 2012 06:00PM
that sure would weed out some that need weeding.
BlahX3 Report This Comment Date: October 18, 2012 06:12PM
"All hail the mighty Fossil_Digger!"
I don't give a shit what stupid pretend rules you try to lay on me, so a big
right back at you. You don't own this site
so fuck off. I say what I want to here (so far, no one has blocked me yet), at
least most of what I say makes some sense, unlike you. It's not my fault you're
too stupid/lazy to figure out some basic things even when they are put into
plain language.
fossil_digger Report This Comment Date: October 18, 2012 06:31PM
*another weasel cock ticket for you*
BlahX3 Report This Comment Date: October 19, 2012 12:51AM
All I did was state a couple of facts that expose JG's statement as the
bullshit that it is. What's the matter, only like the facts when they suit you?
fossil_digger Report This Comment Date: October 19, 2012 01:22AM
no, you stated your opinion and hopes for them to be facts
BlahX3 Report This Comment Date: October 19, 2012 02:47AM
No, you're wrong. It is a fact that the mafia has killed children before and
that on average 100 children are murdered in USA every year. That is not an
opinion.
jgoins Report This Comment Date: October 19, 2012 11:26AM
But there is a difference, killing children is not allowed in this country. It
does seem to be allowed in the Koran and in the middle east since parents
killing their kids and their wives don't seem to be prosecuted much if at all.
fossil_digger Report This Comment Date: October 19, 2012 01:41PM
so if that's a fact, there must be some proof you could present.
BlahX3 Report This Comment Date: October 19, 2012 02:24PM
If you were as interested in it as you appear to be interested in lambasting me
you'd have looked it up for yourself by now.
fossil_digger Report This Comment Date: October 19, 2012 02:30PM
that's a harry Reid debate tactic....you made the comment, it's up to you to
prove it, not me.
BlahX3 Report This Comment Date: October 19, 2012 03:27PM
why should I? You never back up your claims with any evidence that I've
noticed. You probably won't bother to read them anyway. But since I'm such a
nice guy, you can start here...
In 2008, there were 1,494 child (under 18 years) homicides in the United
States.
[
en.wikipedia.org]
Child prostitution and murder by mafia:
[
www.cnn.com]
I couldn't find the source of the stats again that I found before about the
average of 100 kids murdered in the US per year but wiki article shows it is
much worse than that.
In the future do your own fucking homework and start backing up YOUR claims for
a change.
fossil_digger Report This Comment Date: October 19, 2012 04:21PM
i know it's true, i just wanted to waste some more of your time.
BlahX3 Report This Comment Date: October 19, 2012 04:37PM
fossil_digger Report This Comment Date: October 19, 2012 04:54PM
BlahX3 Report This Comment Date: October 19, 2012 04:58PM
I knew that fossil dickwad. I chose to do so for other reasons than satisfying
your humongous ego. I know it's hard for you to comprehend that but it's true.
fossil_digger Report This Comment Date: October 19, 2012 05:15PM
BlahX3 Report This Comment Date: October 19, 2012 08:44PM
JG, I know what you mean about the crimes being allowed but it really does look
that situation is starting to change. The bastards that do the horrible crimes
against humanity are starting to be caught more often.
I admit that I have a compassionate streak a mile wide but that is how I am. I
do my best to temper it with an attitude of justice and I definitely believe
that if you do the crime then you do the time. One way or another. Karma
ultimately balances. I get disappointed every day by the news but I can't make
myself not have hope so I try to accentuate the positive in spite of the
in-our-face news/propaganda and look for positive changes. They do and are
happening. even if it's just one guy holding up a piece of paper like this
picture. I believe in that.
fossil_digger Report This Comment Date: October 19, 2012 09:01PM
how do you know it wasn't PS'd?
the spelling was by a kindergarten kid.
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BlahX3 Report This Comment Date: October 19, 2012 09:25PM
I don't. It could be p'shopped but I doubt it. Even if so it doesn't matter,
someone cared enough to make it look that way. Do you think it's another
conspiracy? OMG! LOL! Yeah, Al Qaida did it! or the Muslim Brotherhood! Or the
Taliban. Or the CIA! Or Fox Mulder! Section is feeding us misleading
information!
Don't assume some guy in Libya knows much past kindergarten English and that is
probably a hell of a lot more than any Arabic you or I know. I don't think that
spelling counts in this case. Besides he's not the only one, just a pictorial
example. It symbolizes something that I believe in.
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fossil_digger Report This Comment Date: October 19, 2012 09:42PM
it doesn't matter? then you point doesn't matter either then.
BlahX3 Report This Comment Date: October 19, 2012 09:50PM
Typical F_D style straw grasping. Your English language skills aren't much
better than the guy with sign, if not actually worse, especially regarding
reading comprehension.
If you ever did attempt to actually make a point then I am almost certain that
it wouldn't matter to anyone besides you.
fossil_digger Report This Comment Date: October 19, 2012 10:11PM
what is the point in making a point?
do you feel the need for me to impress you in some way?
should i dazzle you with vocabulary? would that make you feel better?
maybe i should..........keep laughing at you, it seems to work the best.
jgoins Report This Comment Date: October 20, 2012 11:19AM
Why would it matter if the middle east changes or not, they will never attack
me as Arkansas isn't important enough to attack much less this little town I
live in. I am not concerned about them changing but if too many people think
they are changing and they don't then there could be another 9/11 in our future
because we will become complacent and allow it to sneak up on us.
fossil_digger Report This Comment Date: October 20, 2012 01:39PM
WOLVERINES!!
BlahX3 Report This Comment Date: October 20, 2012 03:02PM
JG; It matters to a lot of people including me. I think you look for excuses to
justify your prejudice. People do that. I do much the same. I look for
justification for my beliefs too.
Skidmore; Keep up the good work,
BTW, in case you don't recall, you told me to provide proof of my points. I did.
Now you are saying making points is pointless. "Just how retarded are
you?"
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jgoins Report This Comment Date: October 21, 2012 11:18AM
It's not an excuse, I just don't trust them. There easy belief in their
religion combined with very little freedom in their countries seems to make them
easy to subvert to radicals and easy targets for brain washing. The same could
be said for any religion but it makes it harder (not impossible just harder) to
subvert people who live in a free country. When religion controls countries
that is when they have problems as well. Also complacency is when people get
killed. It's like when you ride a motorcycle and you get too used to it, you
get complacent and careless then you have a wreck. We should never become
complacent and relax our security. I am never complacent even in my everyday
life, I am always aware of things around me regardless of what I am doing or
where I am.
fossil_digger Report This Comment Date: October 21, 2012 01:31PM
i also said that no link from the internet was proof of anything.
BlahX3 Report This Comment Date: October 21, 2012 02:00PM
So what Digger? Neither does copy and pasting from links. It doesn't matter
what I or anyone else could possibly supply you with you would never consider
any of it as valid anyway because it doesn't fit into your notions and
opinions.
JG, there is grey area between excuses and reasons.
fossil_digger Report This Comment Date: October 21, 2012 02:22PM
not true, you might stumble upon a worthy site some day, but i'm not holdin' my
breathe.
BlahX3 Report This Comment Date: October 21, 2012 02:27PM
You contradict yourself. You're right about one thing though, trying to make a
point to you is pointless.
fossil_digger Report This Comment Date: October 21, 2012 02:45PM
now you're catchin' on.
damn you're slow!
jgoins Report This Comment Date: October 22, 2012 12:11PM
Any excuse is for when you do something wrong and a reason is why you did
something right. Seems clear cut and black and white to me.
GAK67 Report This Comment Date: October 22, 2012 08:14PM
Look up some definitions in a dictionary rather than just base it on your own
ideas of what it means and you'll get a different picture:
A reason is WHY you do something, ie. a cause or an explanation.
An excuse is JUSTIFICATION for an action.
It has nothing to do with whether it is right or wrong.
BlahX3 Report This Comment Date: October 23, 2012 02:24AM
Some of these guys are incapable being educated GAK.
fossil_digger Report This Comment Date: October 23, 2012 02:51AM
it's funny that you think it's your job to educate anybody.
BlahX3 Report This Comment Date: October 23, 2012 03:27AM
No it's not funny at all, it is actually pretty serious if you bothered to
think about it. Yes it is my responsibility to tell the truth and do what I can
to educate others who I come in contact with who need it. It isn't some kind of
ego game, so probably not something you would comprehend, but it is a real
necessity. There is a great vacuum of ignorance in the world and it naturally
draws truth out of those with knowledge. It is the responsibility of those who
know truth to educate those who do not.
fossil_digger Report This Comment Date: October 23, 2012 03:39AM
whatever makes you feel superior......
BlahX3 Report This Comment Date: October 23, 2012 04:28AM
It is the path of the Bodhisattva. It has nothing to do with feeling or wanting
to be superior at all. On the contrary, it is compassion and the desire to help
all sentient beings attain enlightenment.
jgoins Report This Comment Date: October 23, 2012 10:51AM
Enlightenment is only obtained through self discovery.
fossil_digger Report This Comment Date: October 23, 2012 02:09PM
Goins got you again. this time at your own game.
BlahX3 Report This Comment Date: October 23, 2012 02:38PM
Nope. Sorry.
fossil_digger Report This Comment Date: October 23, 2012 02:56PM
uh huh infinity
BlahX3 Report This Comment Date: October 23, 2012 04:31PM
Enlightenment is not obtained, it is attained. It isn't a tangible object, it
is a realization. The notion of self is initially an obstacle in the path toward
enlightenment until such awareness is achieved to be able view it as a vehicle.
It is not a matter of self discovery. It is a process of realizing the
insignificance and ultimate illusory nature of self.
fossil_digger Report This Comment Date: October 23, 2012 04:36PM
A man is but the product of his thoughts what he thinks, he becomes.
Mahatma Gandhi
jgoins Report This Comment Date: October 24, 2012 11:16AM
sorry I used the wrong word but the right idea.
I like the person I am would love to meet more of me.
BlahX3 Report This Comment Date: October 24, 2012 02:06PM
I'm sorry but the idea is wrong JG. I'm glad that you like yourself. There is
no reason to despise the ego but there is reason to see it for what it truly is
and is not.
BTW, Skidmore, Gandhi was quoting Sakyamuni Buddha and it is taken out of
context. Yes we "become" what we habitually think and the point Buddha
was making is if we habitually think wrong then our illusion of self becomes
even more wrong as a result. The concept of a "self" is wrong anyway,
it just compounds the problem, which is that we believe in a "self" to
be reality in the first place.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 24/10/2012 05:42PM by BlahX3.
fossil_digger Report This Comment Date: October 24, 2012 05:47PM
why did i know
you would say that?
BlahX3 Report This Comment Date: October 24, 2012 10:08PM
Because you aren't entirely stupid, you just play a stupid guy on the internet.
fossil_digger Report This Comment Date: October 24, 2012 10:18PM
Change does not roll in on the wheels of inevitability, but comes through
continuous struggle. And so we must straighten our backs and work for our
freedom. A man can't ride you unless your back is bent.
Martin Luther King, Jr.
BlahX3 Report This Comment Date: October 25, 2012 01:45AM
"You can live with dignity; you can't die with it!"
fossil_digger Report This Comment Date: October 25, 2012 03:05AM
Hope in reality is the worst of all evils because it prolongs the torments of
man.
Friedrich Nietzsche
One often contradicts an opinion when what is uncongenial is really the tone in
which it was conveyed.
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jgoins Report This Comment Date: October 25, 2012 11:42AM
Live long and prosper.
Spock \\//
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BlahX3 Report This Comment Date: October 25, 2012 06:10PM
That quote I put last was from House BTW and just for fun
jgoins Report This Comment Date: October 26, 2012 12:18PM
Rule #18: It's better to seek forgiveness than ask permission.
Leroy Jethro Gibbs
fossil_digger Report This Comment Date: October 26, 2012 01:09PM
rule #3: double tap
correction: that's rule #2 (it's on FX right now).
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jgoins Report This Comment Date: October 27, 2012 10:46AM
I always double tap.