acascadian Report This Comment Date: July 12, 2005 10:58AM
that might make a good T-shirt
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Ecotopian_Yeti Report This Comment Date: July 12, 2005 11:09AM
thanx here is another site too of the same person:
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Mr_Sarcasm Report This Comment Date: July 12, 2005 02:09PM
Unite Canada with what? The U.S. like it should have been in the first place? I
say we annex it and turn it into the 51st state...who's with me?
Mint Report This Comment Date: July 12, 2005 02:54PM
doesnt say canada
Anonymous Report This Comment Date: July 12, 2005 04:59PM
Typical American. Cant even read
not_an_Amerikan Report This Comment Date: July 12, 2005 09:14PM
Amerikans are so dumb! And yes "Amerikan" is spelt with a
"k" to indicate that the United States is a fascist empire. I have
travelled around the world and have lived in many different countries and I can
safely say Amerikans are stupid! Other cultures have lots of people who are
ignorant due to lack of resources or lack of empowerment due to oppression, but
Amerikans! they are down right dumb! They have so much access to all sorts of
information (even alternative media away from the corporate owned and editied
media) and yet because their educational system teaches them to comply and obey
they lack the very curiousity to rise to ignorance. So this makes them dumb,
dumb, dumb! I would rather talk to some one uneducated with natural curiousity
as opposed to Amerikans who have access to knowledge but lack the curiousty to
inform themselves or even care to read a God Damn line on a poster. By the
Gods, Amerikans are dumb!
Anonymous Report This Comment Date: July 12, 2005 09:58PM
"Reunification"? Cascadia sounds like a great idea, but it will have
to be unified for the first time before it can be re-unified. Anyway, I
seriously wonder if Vancouver/B.C. would really consider joining a Cascadian
nation... They got it fairly good up there, and the crazy people down here would
have to get some sense into them first.. hmmm.. it's a long shot, but it's so
crazy.. IT JUST MIGHT WORK!
Ecotopian_Yeti Report This Comment Date: July 13, 2005 01:22AM
Think of it the other way. Would Vancouver BC and the rest of BC except
Oregon, Washington and Northern California? And then there is Idaho, Western
Montana and the Alaskan Panhandle (that might take major economic crises before
they wake up). What will be the tipping point for 'southern Cascadians" to
get pissed enough to say "to Hell with Fascist Amerika!" Will it be a
draft? Economic collapse? The erosion of state's rights (in the form of taking
away Death With Dignity, Medical Marjuana use or the total destruction of the
state's National Guards)? Will it be "Peak Oil"?
As for the region being one region in the past. It actually was one region prior
to 1846 Oregon Treaty after two years of military threat by the US expansionist
President James Knox Polk. Polk caused huge diplomatic chaos with his
presidential campaign of "Fifty-Four Forty or Fight!" in 1844. He even
fortified the existing Canadian-US border of the time hoping for a conflict with
the British. Most modern Amerikans do not realize that American foriegn policy
that Polk and Jackson pushed for radically changed US foriegn policy from a
isolationist democractic republic to an imperialist anti-European country under
Polk. Most modern Amerikans also do not have the education to understand the
division in the US over Polk and Jackson's decision to create an expansionist
policy. These men are often portrayed in modern reconstructionist history, but
almost brought the US to civil conflict several times.
rogue_1 Report This Comment Date: July 13, 2005 01:35PM
What the FUCK is a Cascadia
Anonymous Report This Comment Date: July 13, 2005 04:58PM
you all have clearly been endulging in too much Cascadian Bud!
Anonymous Report This Comment Date: July 13, 2005 05:21PM
Just imagine drinking Molson Cascadian. I bet it would taste good, mmmmm.
Ecotopian_Yeti Report This Comment Date: July 14, 2005 06:26AM
well though I am for the legalization of herb for medical and even a mild
relaxent for those who choice to partake of that... as well as .. actally
especially for industrial hemp.. I for one have never taken the herb in its
inhalent nor edable form.
duane Report This Comment Date: July 14, 2005 10:49AM
Fucking Canadians,such a fine and upstanding group of people.To bad you let the
twits lead you.Yeti why dont you talk to your government and see if they would
like to follow through with the changes.The 90% of your population living within
150 miles of the U.S. border can finaly become American.Maybe your government
could try to take it back,then we could send our Salvation Army to kick your
ass.Why do more than 90% of your population live within 150 miles of the
U.S.,because your fucking leaches.You work here,we might as well just make you
and Mexico states so we could stop supporting your sorry asses.Dipshit!
Ecotopian_Yeti Report This Comment Date: July 14, 2005 11:00PM
Duane, what government? Please learn to read, Duane .. it does not say
"Canada" it says "Cascadia!" I think you are so stupid that
you do not realize that most Cascadians are technically "Americans"..
let me translate this for you "We want out of the Fascist Dictatorship you
call America" All elections in the US are not democratic .. they are all
based on how much money the candidates have or the corporation sponsoring them
(democrat or republican). This is not a demcracy it is a plutocracy. Duane you
prove that Amerikans are totally dumb and can not read. And then the dumb as
Amerikans ask "why do they want to leave the US?" Unfortunately most
Amerikans are too dumb to fathom that, because they can not even read a poster
that says "Cascadia" not "Canada".
90% of the Canadian polutation lives in the most southern climatic zone of
Canada because ... of agriculture and patterns of migration across Canada.
"stop supporting your sorry asses".. are you serious? or on Meth? How
many US Americans go to Canada per month for lower priced medication?
This all reflects a class war by the corporate elite against the American masses
and that class warfare starts with the destruction of public education and the
undermining of critical thinking skills. Our (Us American) educational systems
(based on the Prussian school system) only produces followers and complience who
are nationalistically blind followers of hate. That hate is preached by the
corporation and redistributed to the masses in the form of corporate media,
Hollywood fantasy and a mythology of national fallacies.
Ecotopian_Yeti Report This Comment Date: July 14, 2005 11:05PM
rogue,
Cascadia is....
Cascadia is that land and thought at the edge of the worlds. Some have called
Cascadia a "state of mind" while others point out that Cascadia is a
real place defined by its geology, biodiversity and shared communities. Cascadia
does often appear as the eternal Terra Incognito (the land of the unknown) that
is shrouded in mystery just outside of the mind and geography, but it is that
sense of mystique that makes Cascadia such a unique and real place.
Nestled between the North Pacific Ocean and the Continental Divide of the North
American Continent lays a complex region formed from ongoing geological events
and continuous climatic factors. Several regional mountain ranges catch the
moisture of the Pacific as it passes on its way east. The Columbia, the
Willamette and the Frazer rivers with their contributaries and other riparian
systems cut through the basalt and granite mountains of this region providing
rich alluvium soil. The region can be defined by this great water cycle that is
powered and fed back into the Pacific Ocean. All the regional rivers, streams
and creeks eventually flow back towards the Pacific. The region's farthest
eastern frontiers lay on the western slopes of the Rocky Mountains where the
spring melt begins its return to the Pacific. This is a region rich in
biodiversity, history and cultures. It is a land that is shaped by geologic,
oceanic, climatic and perceptional forces.
Today sociologists, geographers and ecologists are redefining regions based on
the commonality of the ecological systems and the human interactions within
geographic systems called bioregions. The North Eastern Pacific east to the
continetal divide is called Cascadia. The Cascadian bioregion encompassing the
territories of the Alaskan Panhandle, British Columbia, Idaho, Washington,
Oregon, northern California and western Montana as well as very small portions
of other near by states and provinces. Cascadia is geographically the Columbia
River Watershed and the area around the Cascade Range. Cascadia's farthest
extent is from northern California to the Alaskan Panhandle and from the Pacific
to the Continental Divide.
Anonymous Report This Comment Date: July 15, 2005 09:46AM
"the rest of BC except Oregon, Washington and Northern California"?
Since when were these places in BC?
Ecotopian_Yeti Report This Comment Date: July 15, 2005 10:54AM
Anonymous, please read! BC and Oregon, Washington (State not DC), Idaho,
Western Monntana were once considered the same territory called the Oregon
Country. BC was renamed Britsh Columbia after President Polk (he lived in the
1840s) saber-rattled (threatened war) against the British if they did not drop
all political claims on the Oregon Country which is now part of the United
States. British Columbia, Oregon, Washington, Idaho and even western Montana
were all considered one region called Oregon. Today many people in this region
are now awakening to this historical usurping by the Atlantic Empires and we are
calling ourselves Cascadians (not Canadians for those you can not read the
picture above).
Here one more time for people too stupid to read the above responses (yes I mean
Amerikans.. after all they are the dumbest people on this planet.. maybe I
should write slowly for them to understand):
As for the region being one region in the past. It actually was one region prior
to 1846 Oregon Treaty after two years of military threat by the US expansionist
President James Knox Polk. Polk caused huge diplomatic chaos with his
presidential campaign of "Fifty-Four Forty or Fight!" in 1844. He even
fortified the existing Canadian-US border of the time hoping for a conflict with
the British. Most modern Amerikans do not realize that American foriegn policy
that Polk and Jackson pushed for radically changed US foriegn policy from a
isolationist democractic republic to an imperialist anti-European country under
Polk. Most modern Amerikans also do not have the education to understand the
division in the US over Polk and Jackson's decision to create an expansionist
policy. These men are often portrayed in modern reconstructionist history, but
almost brought the US to civil conflict several times.
duane Report This Comment Date: July 15, 2005 10:55AM
"We want out of the Fascist Dictatorship you call America"You dumb
fucking asshole if not for the U.S your ass would be speaking Russian or German
depending on who got here first and who could hold on.You speak as if were
fascist,yet we debate and vote on everything,we elect our officials.Being very
proud and happy with my government, you can just suck my dick.When you get done
dreaming and wake the fuck up,just remember Im the one living in reallity.I
guess in between your dreams of other men you came up with this notion that
there were a whole lot of people who felt this way."Duane you prove that
Amerikans are totally dumb and can not read."You cant even spell
AMERICA,yet you call me dumb,you syphalistic offspring of a back alley gangfuck.
Anonymous Report This Comment Date: July 15, 2005 08:27PM
Ecotopian,I =did= read! You wrote "the rest of BC =except= Oregon,
Washington and Northern California", which clearly implies that those
states are part of BC. Is it just possible that you meant =accept=? Of course,
if you weren't so far up yourself, you might have realised that some of us don't
take this topic quite as seriously as you obviously do.
Ecotopian_Yeti Report This Comment Date: July 15, 2005 11:43PM
ok lets put that back into context:
Someone else wrote:
"Anyway, I seriously wonder if Vancouver/B.C. would really consider joining
a Cascadian nation"
Then I wrote:
"Think of it the other way. Would Vancouver BC and the rest of BC except
Oregon, Washington and Northern California?"
Let me translate that would the people of "Northern Cascadia" (which
is mostly British Columbia) be willing "except" a working together as
a single socio-political cooperative of Pacific NorthWest states from Fascist
America.
Ecotopian_Yeti Report This Comment Date: July 16, 2005 12:16AM
Duane,
There was blantant election frauds in the USA. We have been fascist basically
since the Cold War. Some people would argue we have been a form of "soft
fascism" a little longer than that. Just to educate you Benito Mussolini
(the father of fascism) defined fascism as "Fascism should more
appropriately be called Corporatism because it is a merger of State and
corporate power." President Eisenhower warned of the Military-Industrial
Complex in 1961. President Eisenhower feared that the Military-Industrial
Complex would eventually control the government and create wars purely to make
profit and to keep the war machine running. Before the Cold War there was a
crucial event that has been mostly "deleted" from Amerikan text books
which was the attempted Coup d'État of the United States by Corporatists
(Fascists.. big busness) by hiring U.S. Marine Corps Major General Smedley
Butler. Butler was to lead a military coup against the popular President FDR.
Butler (a true American patriot and if all Americans were like him I would still
count myself as American) refused to lead the coup and infact warnned the
American citzenry that Fascist were trying to take over the government. You will
not see this in American text books because the coup ended up happening slowly
and quietly over the last few decades. Our elections are all fraud. This is
not about Democrats or Republicans, but about wealthy busnessmen who want to
make you a wage-slave and undermined your way of life for their profit margins.
These busnessmen have manipulated political parties and elections to purely look
like a democracy, but the reality is that the rich get richer; and the middle
class and poor are getting poorer.
"I helped make Mexico, especially Tampico, safe for American oil interests
in 1914. I helped make Haiti and Cuba a decent place for the National City Bank
boys to collect revenues in. I helped in the raping of half a dozen Central
American republics for the benefits of Wall Street. The record of racketeering
is long. I helped purify Nicaragua for the international banking house of Brown
Brothers in 1909-1912. I brought light to the Dominican Republic for American
sugar interests in 1916. In China I helped to see to it that Standard Oil went
its way unmolested. During those years, I had, as the boys in the back room
would say, a swell racket. Looking back on it, I feel that I could have given Al
Capone a few hints. The best he could do was to operate his racket in three
districts. I operated on three continents." Excerpt from a speech delivered
in 1933 by Major General Smedley Butler, USMC
"Fascism, which was not afraid to call itself reactionary... does not
hesitate to call itself illiberal and anti-liberal." Benito Mussolini
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Ecotopian_Yeti Report This Comment Date: July 16, 2005 12:29AM
Anonymous,
As for taking this forum serious.. well obviously this whole site is actually
geared for wankers like Duane to masterbate over hairbushed pictures, because he
can not get layed. I have posted this for another reason that has little to do
with this dialogue. In fact if no one responded I would prefer that, but since
they are I will educate some of you. I have an ulterior motive for posting this
that has nothing to do with the vast majority of jack-offs who are too busy
getting their keyboards sticky. But that motive is my busness.
Ecotopian_Yeti Report This Comment Date: July 16, 2005 01:26AM
yes I meant accept
duane Report This Comment Date: July 16, 2005 03:27AM
I was gone for a minute and you started sucking dick again.Please stop
talking,Shit is not supposed to speak.Your leaving your liberal brown streaks
all over the place.Why are you so jealous of my country you probably dont even
live here.I love my country and dont see the fascism your speaking of.I love
what Bush is doing and so do most people that I know.Whatever college campus or
tea sipping group your a member of must be very narrow minded if you cant see
the freedoms that we and I enjoy.Things like argueing about politics with a
stupid fucker like yourself.Democracy and Capitolism works and you dont like
it,so you try to shit on it.You think that what the liberals are doing is
right,like no death penalty,all the abortions you can stomach even for kids who
will have to live with the choice even if the guilt is to much to bear.I have
family members who have and both regret it,one was 14.I spent 3 years of my life
on drugs and alcahol with no residence and I still dont see where liberals come
from with the idea that government should take care of everyone who will not do
it for themselves.Liberals champion people like rapists,child molesters, and
worse Bill Clinton.For 8 years he sat back and did nothing while the terrorists
grew balls bombing the world trade center twice,khobar towers,U.S. embasy
bombings in Kenya and Tanzania,the USS Cole in Yemen,he was impeached for
perjury and how about this we go to war in Kosovo and Clinton says its to stop
ethinic cleansing because over 100,000 people had been killed by ethinic
cleansing.That number turned out to be 2788 by NATO counting and not all of them
were war crime victims.I say all this because he is the championed liberal even
today.Liberals are pro:abortion,gay,larger central government,taking away all
firearms(which is a right protected in our constitution)Conservatives are
pro:Life(exept for convicted killers),want a smaller central government,pro
flag,pro church,anti-abortion.Really I think your a dildo so dont be surprised
if someone else tells you that.You love liberals well you can have em,well on
second thought no we have such a variety of people that make up our country who
vote and determine our direction its called democracy and I may not like them
but they are American and they are welcome but your not.
Ecotopian_Yeti Report This Comment Date: July 16, 2005 06:11AM
Duane, where are you from?
Ecotopian_Yeti Report This Comment Date: July 16, 2005 06:34AM
wait before you answer that with your typical sexual insults I am just curious
what area you live in and the economic as well as demographic make up of the
area. Also I am curious as to your educational level. Did you go to higher
education or was it even an option?
duane Report This Comment Date: July 16, 2005 10:07AM
And you must be a college professor,Im from Maryland,I have 1 year of college,I
own a small buisness where I provide Installation services.Its a peninsula with
flat land and the largest industry is chickens.What a higher education has to do
with God given common sense is what I would like you to answer.
Anonymous Report This Comment Date: July 17, 2005 05:23PM
Duane seems to be convincing evidence that the American education system is
failing.
duane Report This Comment Date: July 17, 2005 09:58PM
Ive advocated student vouchers for a long time.When the federal government took
over it went right to hell in a hand basket.Everything that the federal
government touches turns to shit,look at social security.Look at the military
paying $600.00 for a hammer and $10,000.00 for a toilet seat.Put private
industry in charge and make the records public.Institute checks and balances and
government inspectors that check monthly.Gives states back more control and
shrink the federal government.Catholic schools in NY had a graduation rate of
98% in a research study awhile back but the public schools had a graduation rate
of 67%.They have no control over the students because the kids know they dont
have to live up to any standards.Im not catholic but given the circumstances I
would send my kids there just because of the attention they would recieve.Ive
also read that for every $3.00 taken for schools only $1.00 makes it to the
actual school(federalized systems dont work).I failed 8th grade and was put in
christian school for 4 years.My grades went from D's to B's quick I got married
when I was 17 because my girlfreind got pregnant.My school would not allow me to
return so I went to public school in Delaware and stoped going to school and
finaly quit becuase there was no control on me and I needed it.I went to college
and finished one year but came home from the military.Ive lived it,I was
unrully,undisciplined and the christian school had time for me because they were
able to make it with more money,because the tuition went strait to them.Private
schools just do better and the government cant manage money.
Ecotopian_Yeti Report This Comment Date: July 18, 2005 02:02AM
Duane,
I am in a very "blue" county within a very "blue" state and
work at a very "blue" college. There is practically no
"left" here. I do not know when the last time you set foot on a
"liberal" campus, but I see systematic take over of all the various
schools here by money-oriented beaurocrats who will censor anything their
"upper middle class" alumni objects to and will also put "right
wing activists' in positions of power claiming "well this is fair because
30 years ago the left was this or that". Ultimately education is not being
undermined by "left" or "right" but by corporations with
hidden adgendas to make sure that their advertisement (usually sponsoring
sporting events) is not associated with a institution that might be doing
socially uncomfortable material. We have seen the systematic destruction of
educated dialogue for silent compliance. My college was one of the more
"radical" and out spoken campuses in the USA and yet when you walk its
campus especially during a political campaign season their is practically dead
air. Most students today are far more concerned about whether they will make
enough money for tuition or have those two part time jobs to pay the cell phone
bill. Think about the average 18 to 22 year old out there with their gameboys,
Reality TV crap, high fruitose suger, consumerism, instant gratification,
disatification with anything not in fashion, piss-water that passes as beer,
junk food and all the other artificalalities of modern America. We have managed
within our over stimulated society to create a several ADD generations. I do
not see the huge protests over the ousting of a clandestine agent by Karl Rove
nor do I hear protests over cuts in social services, finacial aid, veterans
benifits and all the undermining of the social institutions that are part of the
"social contract" that our foreparents believed in during the
Enlightenment.
duane Report This Comment Date: July 18, 2005 10:16AM
Then lets take it out of the government hands and privatize it,and make the
records and statements public.I have ADD,I was on medication for 7 years from 7
to 14.That shit is bad news,for almost a whole year I would go to class and in
second period would be happy as a lark and all the sudden break out crying.If
you have kids that are on it they wont want to tell you because they will feel
out of place,wierd.If anyone has kids that are on it they might get better
grades but they will be slightly twisted and depressed,and this is comming from
someone who has done drugs(weed,hash,coke,acid and greens)and niether of them
made me cry.This shit is fucking up our kids heads.My duaghter was thought to
have ADD and stayed with my X,when she was 14 she moved in with me and was close
to failing.I made her study for two hours each school night,needless to say it
took her second reportcard for her to notice that she was getting A's and
B's(her first report card was why I made her study so long).After that I left it
up to her and she only slid once but brought it back and is now going to be a
senior.The kids are smart they just need guidance not medicine.About social
security youre right both have dipped,it should be privatized,government will
allways be tainted nomatter what kind,I just like ours because of the checks and
balances and freedom of speech and bill of rights and constitution,I could run
on but have to go to work.
Ecotopian_Yeti Report This Comment Date: July 18, 2005 09:44PM
Well that is happening now with Halliburton and Kellog-Brown and Root. All
those million dollar toilet seats and hammers were not simply due to military
corruption in the 1980s it was also like Halliburton taking contracts for
providing food for soldiers and breaking the contracts and cutting vality and
raising costs.
What is needed is to re-educate the population as to what "democracy"
is. A democracy on this scale be it the US or France or any other system that
makes your vote seem like "just another number in a sea of numbers" is
not an effect democracy.. infact it is a plutocracy with the projected image of
apathetic uninformed republic. You want democracy? It starts in your
neigbhorhood. It starts with a dialogue with your neigbhors, friends,
co-workers and family.
Ecotopian_Yeti Report This Comment Date: July 18, 2005 10:01PM
As for the massive ADD in our population. It comes from a variety and
combination of things. One is the creation of alienation of suburbia which has
led to the breakdown of the extended family structure that is important for our
species. Another is that the food in this society and other industrial
societies is extremely unhealthy with pesticides, growth hormones,
preservatives, genetic modification, colorings and a whole host of toxins. Look
at the numbers of health issues that haunt post industrial countries and
industrializing countries like ADD, allergies, diabetes, obesity, over active
thyroid, under active thyroid and a host of other symptoms of toxic food and now
water. Yes, post industrial people live longer, but the quality of life is
declining. Workaholism is another factor in American continous illness.
Workaholism can lead to other physical manifestations that adds to the
complications of toxic food in a post-industrial society such as lower
attention span, obesity, apathy, heart disease, high blood pressure, strokes,
diabetes and a host of other illnesses now taken as just normal aging processes.
But have you noticed that these illnesses are increasing among children.
As a conservative who believes in appropriate funding and being conservative
with my money I 100% believe it is more affective for use to have universal
healthcare, because the system we currently have costs more and ends up with far
more corruption by pharmeutical companies, hospitals and insurance agencies.
Cynic Report This Comment Date: July 18, 2005 10:20PM
.....and you think that Cascadia would be the new Utopia, free of all these
ills?
duane Report This Comment Date: July 18, 2005 11:12PM
France and Canadas health care system are a joke,we have a medical system that
is second to none so I would rather deal with the coruption then deal with a
waiting list for an emergency.Plus I dont want a second rate system that works
like the DMV.I also dont want a second rate doctor taking care of delicate
surgery or to have to leave the country to get treatment for special case
problems.I agree our system could use improvement but not a new system.We need
public exposure of books and records,and also removal of the corupt.We need to
have less federal control and more local control,that way when you vote its
closer to home and it could not hurt to have more geographical
representation,like your cascadia.More local control would remove special
intrests enough to remove allot of coruption.
Ecotopian_Yeti Report This Comment Date: July 19, 2005 02:10AM
Cynic,
No... it is not a utopia. Nor is Cascadia the solution for everything. It is
not and will not be free from all ills, but at least a democratic Cascadia of a
future could at least address issues on a more regional and local level.
Cascadia already exists. It is not a nation-state. It is a bioregion. Yes I
would love to see smaller regional decision making that is not dictated by a
federal and centralized government that is now bought by the corporations.
Duane,
No all unversal healthcare systems are like the Canadian, French or British
systems. And transparency is the key to any institution that deal with the
people or is controlled by the people.
duane Report This Comment Date: July 19, 2005 11:11AM
Red tape,3 dollars in 1 dollar out,socialized healthcare will burnden the
economy to much.I do agree with transparency.
Ecotopian_Yeti Report This Comment Date: July 19, 2005 08:14PM
Duane
for every dollar Oregon or Washington puts into the Federal pot we get back 60
cents to 80 cents back. States like Kentucky, Texas and other southern red
states make more money staying in te federal system. That money Oregonians and
Washingtonians contribute could go to our healthcare systems or better give
complete universal healthcare in Cascadia. Our sister states of Cascadia have
been literally destroyed by being in this bad federation. Maybe its is a good
deal for Maryland, but its bad for us in the Pacific Northwest (Cascadia).
duane Report This Comment Date: July 19, 2005 11:47PM
My point is not that it is a good system but it is the one in use now for our
schools.Tell me something why is it that our schools as I am told by elders used
to teach latin manditory now its not manditory but spanish is pushed hard.If you
want to understand law you had better have and understanding,or
science,medicine,history and a many of other things.I dont understand the move
to spanish but I also dont understand the push for more emphasis on anything but
english,science,math and history.Things like computors and buisness can be
incorperated into these and tought.There 7 or 8 periods in school but not enough
money or time or teachers to teach our kids what they need to survive.While
music,gym,study hall,and foreign language might seem important I dont see many
of the people who graduate becoming interpreters,paid to play music,atheletes or
profesional studiers.My point is that this portion of society is small compared
to the jobs that make the gears go round.Managers,laborers,salesman,services,and
so on.If you take that money and apply it to teachers salary and more in depth
time in the essentials you could get better results.Those other things can be
after school things.If you actually go to a gym class youll see what I mean.
Ecotopian_Yeti Report This Comment Date: July 20, 2005 05:52AM
Well Duane the answer to why we have dropped Latin is a lecture I do about the
rise of nationalism and the attempt to get rid of the "old guard". It
is true that now if you wish to be of the elite class via education you must
know some Latin (medicine and law), but to even get to that "choice"
in life the odds are you would have had to be born of the elite or exceptional
in the lower classes.
Spanish... well that is obvious in states were Spanish is growing as the second
largest language group. I personally believe every student who has the ability
should learn at least one language that is not spokan in the household be it
Spanish, Russian, German, American sign language, Hebrew, Japanese or whatever.
When one learns a second language it can only help with one's native language
because then one starts to see gramatical structures in comparison.
Our dominate educational system in this country is based on the Prussian
educational system. Which was to not make critical thinkers, but to teach YOU
how to comply to authority! The goal of public school was to teach you only one
language so that you could not share insights or mix your "nationhood"
with other peoples. The elite were not to be of public school and were to learn
Latin and other languages in private schools. The current push for second
languages is a pretty recent development as some minorities question the system.
The goal of the Prussian school system for the average people was to teach them
to be good nationalists and soldiers! To give you just enough ablity to read
and write to read a sign saying "Warning: Highly Explosive" as you lit
up a cigerette in your uniform in that conscripted military that we (lower
classes) are suppose to be in.
Look up "Prussian Education System" in google.
This is why I started telling my students "question everything including
me!" several years ago.
duane Report This Comment Date: July 20, 2005 04:40PM
Parents do have choices but they are to busy in our two income society to
care.You said it earlier the main focus is not on food or rent its games and
partys and the latest clothes.I still say the fabric on which we were started
and our heritage is being ripped out from under our feet.Parents are failing to
raise their children and the government cant do it right anyway.The governmnent
cant fix these problems only the people.If you look at when this started to be a
problem its when we became more wealthy,people dont care as long as they get
their fix of goods.They are taking religion out of everything and loosly
defineing morals.A specific beleif system is nessasary for this government to
work and this is changing so fast its crazy.I beleive this is where it started.
Ecotopian_Yeti Report This Comment Date: July 20, 2005 10:01PM
Parents are not "too busy" to care.. they simply can not afford it.
Yes many families have at least two incomes just to survive and many have more
than two incomes coming in with no health coverage. Look around you and ask how
many people you know in the middle class are indebt just to survive. The
American Dream is becoming an Amerikan Nightmare. 98.9% of the American
population have no clue about the Pyramid Scheme they are in with the
Corporations. The game is pass on the debt to the middle class before the
economy collapses so that the middle class and upper lower class are stuck with
the debt burden as corporations move off shore laughing to Chinese and Swiss
banks. Remember after 9/11 "be a patriot and buy a truck" and now you
are stuck with the debt and gas prices. The US rates 46th on life expectency in
the world. The US has the highest infant mortality rate in any post-industrial
country.
Religion? please remember that most of the founder fathers of the US were
Deists. Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Paine, John Adams, George Washington, Benjamin
Franklin, James Madison and others were all Deists. Deitism believes that there
is a SuperNatural Being (the Great Watchmaker) who set the world in motion and
then stays out of the universe. Deists also believe Jesus was just a man..
though many like Thomas Jefferson would say Jesus was a socio-political
revolutionary who was later misunderstood as a "god" or son of.
Jefferson even republished the bible editing out all miracles especially those
associated with Jesus called The Jefferson Bible [
www.angelfire.com]
Read up on Deism [
www.religioustolerance.org]
Lincoln too was a Deist.
[
www.ronaldbrucemeyer.com]
I think Deism is a great religion and since it was the religion of the founding
fathers it would be a great "specific beleif system" that "is
nessasary for this government to work" if you are going to think that way.
haha Report This Comment Date: July 21, 2005 08:42AM
I was readin this stuff in here. Yeti why are you trying to teach a wage-slave
how to think. He wont understand unless you are dominating him with a whip just
like the slavemasta use to do. This time the slave are just dumb-folk. Its like
Arthur Frayn as Zardoz teaching Zed the power of the gun, reading and freedom.
It is not until Zed finally has the sacred book in Zed's face that Zed realizes
the book is "The Wizard of Oz" and that Zardoz (wiZARDofOZ) is a
merely man behind a veil and pulling strings to manipulate people with fear. So
Zed kills Zardoz (Arthur Frayn) with the gun that Zardoz provided him with. Yet
Arthur Frayn actually planned his own death because he did not wish to be
immortal.
[
en.wikipedia.org]
haha Report This Comment Date: July 21, 2005 11:02AM
I was readin this stuff in here. Yeti why are you trying to teach a wage-slave
how to think. He wont understand unless you are dominating him with a whip just
like the slavemasta use to do. This time the slave are just dumb-folk. Its like
Arthur Frayn as Zardoz teaching Zed the power of the gun, reading and freedom.
It is not until Zed finally has the sacred book in Zed's face that Zed realizes
the book is "The Wizard of Oz" and that Zardoz (wiZARDofOZ) is a
merely man behind a veil and pulling strings to manipulate people with fear. So
Zed kills Zardoz (Arthur Frayn) with the gun that Zardoz provided him with. Yet
Arthur Frayn actually planned his own death because he did not wish to be
immortal.
[
en.wikipedia.org]
duane Report This Comment Date: July 21, 2005 11:09AM
Dude your funny,but Yeti I live in the enviorment that you say is so horrible
and you know I kinda like it but I know Im fooled into enjoying myself.In the
society I live in its practicle to think I can make enough money to buy a SUV
(if motivated enough to not get health insurance and buy the latest X-Box)in
your version Im guranteed enough to buy a chevy spectrum but I have subpar
health care acrossed the board and board games for all.Im sure you put alot of
thought into this but you just dont have the perspective of the common
american.I went for years without healthcare,hell I spent three years couch
surfing.I know what is going on with kids now days,Hollywood and the music
industry have painted a picture and created a subculture and the people who did
it used freedom of speech and no censureship to accomoplish it,now you talk of
socialized medicine as if the government knows how to manage money and will not
be crooked in your system everything you have said is know not worth the page
you have wrote it on.You should look at your beliefs you have no convictions
exept this government is fascist no matter the election or the freedom of speech
in our system,something else is allways better.
Ecotopian_Yeti Report This Comment Date: July 21, 2005 08:13PM
Duane,
I assure you we live in different cultures yet the same country. You are an
American and I do not deny you of your identity, but many of us (not all yet) in
the "Pacific NorthWest" do not get the luxaries you have nor do we
want the system that you cherish. Please hold to your country and let us go.
Cascadians will not threaten your borders or take your cars... just let us go.
That is all we want from you. Its like a bad marriage.. why would a spouse want
to stay in a marriage with someone that does not love them? The wedding was a
shotgun wedding when you re-read history. I think it is best for both of our
interests to Divorce.. so let Cascadia go.
Anonymous Report This Comment Date: July 21, 2005 09:45PM
Yes - please, =please= let Cascadia go....as far as possible
duane Report This Comment Date: July 21, 2005 10:30PM
You get no arguement from me,I have no particaular tie to that part of the
country but you will have to buy it in my eyes or you can ceseed which would end
in war in either case Im not the one you have to convince Im all for it just
take califonia and Ill support you.All the movie stars,liberals,imagration
problems we will even throw in Disney World the Lakers,49ers,and Clippers.Im not
hard to convince.
Ecotopian_Yeti Report This Comment Date: July 21, 2005 11:23PM
I would welcome California especially since northern California ia the southern
tip of Cascadia. But that all would have to be up to them. I now of people in
the Great Lakes area too who want out as well as people in Arizona.
Buy? buy what? the way i see it the US American government and the red states
owe us for all the money and lives we sent to build the current armies. You owe
us not the other way around. The "red states" have been welfare
states or third world states within a federal system for decades and seeing them
deal with their race issues, lack of education, poverty and hurricanes on their
own while the world watches would be revenge enough.
Ecotopian_Yeti Report This Comment Date: July 23, 2005 06:49AM
I have no problems with the latest immigrates to this area except I wish all
people (even those of European ancestory) would stop fleeing problems and start
resolving problems. I can careless if Cascadia speaks English, Hindi, Chinese,
Spanish, Chinook Jargon, a merger of all langauges or some alien communative
farts. I can also careless what the genetic make up what Cascadians are as long
as they are not all inbred like we stereotype in some parts of the US. Race is
a social construct and the real issue is racism, ethnic chauvinism and gender
bias and stereotypes. To me everyone should have universal health care
regardless of national origin. Those employers hiring illegal workers are the
ones who should be penalized by paying for the healthcare and education of the
worker and theie families and dependants. If that was done how many jobs would
be available for illegal workers? Do you think there would be a steady stream of
workers illegally crossing the borders? Do you think the employers would take
that chance to be caught and forced to pay such heavy fines? See currently we
pretend to punish the uneducated immigrate, but if you make it undesirable or
too costly to hire illegally then the issues disappears. And before you say
"who will do the jobs of the current migrate worker?" Well the current
legal migrate and non-migrate worker would.
Anonymous Report This Comment Date: July 23, 2005 10:31AM
What are you on, Ecotopian, and where can I buy it?
Ecotopian_Yeti Report This Comment Date: July 24, 2005 04:21AM
no Anonymous@29124 you can not buy it though the fascists would love to
"own" it and sell it. Its being with Nature and thinking instead of
being a blind follower like most of the dumb Amerikans.
duane Report This Comment Date: July 24, 2005 04:26PM
Hug a tree hippy!
Ecotopian_Yeti Report This Comment Date: July 25, 2005 04:55AM
Duane,
I find trees alot more sensable than your sorry ass. And as for "hugging
trees" yes I do hug them and talk to them .. and as for your fucked up
version of Christianity .. alot of us out here worship Mother Nature as
Goddess...
We are so much different even though we are forced to be in the same
"country"
so little man go masterbate looking at porn613 pictures.
Ecotopian_Yeti Report This Comment Date: July 25, 2005 05:05AM
Let me just add something Duane. I actually hate your kind. You and your
fucked up kind is killing this planet and oppressing the planet. YOu are dying
out, because of your own hate and ignorance. In every post you do spreads hate
be it racism, sexism, classism, religious chauvinism and blind nationalism. Know
this final thing: you are a dying breed! You and your kind will die out like
the dinosaur and that die out will be by your own ignorance, because the people
you should have accepted as family and friends will rise up to destroy you
simply by overpopulating you! The sad thing for the rest of us is that
destruction of you and your kind will lead to the near destruction of humanity.
But youare too dumb to understand that.
Anthropocentrist Report This Comment Date: July 25, 2005 09:02AM
Ecotwit, in your last post, you are exhibiting all the nasty characteristics of
which you accuse Duane. In accusing him of being "too dumb" (he is, of
course, but not the way you mean), you demonstrate your own dumbness in allowing
yourself to be brainwashed into your deluded state of idealism. See a
psychiatrist and get help to join the real world.
Ecotopian_Yeti Report This Comment Date: July 25, 2005 08:50PM
Duane, you are a good Nazi
Ecotopian_Yeti Report This Comment Date: July 25, 2005 08:55PM
Anthropocentrist, thank you for reminding me not to play this game. Even when
I was writing a response I hesitated thinking about accounts from Israeli
officers in the occupied territory saying about the Palestinians "I hate
you for what you made me become".
duane Report This Comment Date: July 26, 2005 03:08AM
Yeti your opinion seems to be the only one that matters to you and you seem to
know it all I guess the trees told you.Your just a jerk and boy for you to think
yourself above me just fucking makes me laugh!Too much time on your hands but
not enough convincing answers to debates,you must be a great teacher,all the
best qualities.Face it your idea is stupid and so are you for thinking there is
a possibility of it happening.Fucking loony,you should be glad someone actually
debates your ass and gives you the oportunity to discuss your crazy thoughts.You
fucking hug trees dumbass,and you talk to them.Do they help you make
discisions,or relieve your emotional stress,do you pray to them?Ill leave it up
to the readers on this page to figure out who is nuts or talks to them untill
then have a nice day.
Anthropocentrist Report This Comment Date: July 26, 2005 08:21AM
We'd already figured that out. You're =both= nuts.
duane Report This Comment Date: July 26, 2005 10:54PM
Thats what Ive been saying,wait a minute........
duane Report This Comment Date: July 27, 2005 12:12AM
Im trying for a record in dialog on one page!